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	<title>Going Somewhere....? Comments</title>
	<link>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com</link>
	<description>Transgender, travel, theory, politics, random musings</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/16/lines-in-the-sand/#comment-914</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:31:37 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Sorry about the loooooong delay in this response. I am a bit ditzy in regards to following up comments.
If you have an email address I can send to, I can send you a copy of the submission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorry about the loooooong delay in this response. I am a bit ditzy in regards to following up comments.<br />
If you have an email address I can send to, I can send you a copy of the submission.
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		<title>by: Az</title>
		<link>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/24/259/#comment-913</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:47:59 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey DS -- it doesn't surprise me at all that there are Thai restaurants with women doing massage in Jo'burg, traditional Thai massage is a pretty huge part of the tourist trade in Bangkok and resorts. And it certainly is a vaguely 'sexualised' economy, if not explicitly sexual: part of the tourist's 'pleasure' is that a very attractive women is ministering to them... 

And hey, Nate! The cake turned out very delicious. Tangy and spongy. Gender Trials looks really interesting, I'll look out for it; I find it pretty fascinating that people were talking about 'emotional labor' in a feminist context and that mutated into autono 'affective labor'. I wonder how that came about, and how one influenced the other.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey DS &#8212; it doesn&#8217;t surprise me at all that there are Thai restaurants with women doing massage in Jo&#8217;burg, traditional Thai massage is a pretty huge part of the tourist trade in Bangkok and resorts. And it certainly is a vaguely &#8217;sexualised&#8217; economy, if not explicitly sexual: part of the tourist&#8217;s &#8216;pleasure&#8217; is that a very attractive women is ministering to them&#8230; </p>
	<p>And hey, Nate! The cake turned out very delicious. Tangy and spongy. Gender Trials looks really interesting, I&#8217;ll look out for it; I find it pretty fascinating that people were talking about &#8216;emotional labor&#8217; in a feminist context and that mutated into autono &#8216;affective labor&#8217;. I wonder how that came about, and how one influenced the other.
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		<title>by: Nate</title>
		<link>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/24/259/#comment-912</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:27:28 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks Az, like I needed more books to read... ;)

I just read (well, skimmed) a book recently about the gendered  division of emotional labor in law firms, it's called Gender Trials, also pre-dates the aut- stuff on affective labor. That'd be a fun reading group, to compare that sort of thing to the immaterial labor whatsits.

Wish I had some cake... how did it turn out?

cheers,
Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks Az, like I needed more books to read&#8230; ;)</p>
	<p>I just read (well, skimmed) a book recently about the gendered  division of emotional labor in law firms, it&#8217;s called Gender Trials, also pre-dates the aut- stuff on affective labor. That&#8217;d be a fun reading group, to compare that sort of thing to the immaterial labor whatsits.</p>
	<p>Wish I had some cake&#8230; how did it turn out?</p>
	<p>cheers,<br />
Nate
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		<title>by: dionysusstoned</title>
		<link>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/24/259/#comment-911</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:20:49 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/24/259/#comment-911</guid>
					<description>---but I do draw a parallel between sexwork and the new Thai health tourism economy — this latter is a less explicity sexual economy, to be sure, but it still draws on the same repackaging of ‘traditional’ Thai femininity and requires workers to perform that traditional femininity---


this is interesting, and perhaps clarifies something i noticed recently on this side of the world. So, not so long ago, i got treated to a meal at a fancy thai restaurant in an upmarket Johannesburg Suburb. beyond the  group of [local] waiters (dressed in trendy, loose fitting, black linen outfits)  the restaurants staff included a group of young women dressed in tight 'tradition' dresses, whose work it seemed to be to go, table-to-table, offering patrons a massage - something like R50 for however many minutes. also the women were paid at the table after the massage (not on the bill and i remember wondering if they were paid anything by the restaurant beyond what they collected directly from patrons. but, at any rate, similar kinds of affective labour is not that uncommon here, and in fact the 'repackaging' of 'African culture' and the 'traditional' is a bread and butter of the local tourist industry. What set the thai restaurant encounter apart, i think, including the particular transactional form, was precisely the sense of something like a sexual economy, even if not explicit, that, as you say &quot;draws on the same repackaging of ‘traditional’ Thai femininity and requires workers to perform that traditional femininity&quot;. so i found all this somewhat odd in a restaurant, but now that you mention that there is something of a industry of this kind, perhaps the model was imported. i dunno. but thanks for this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8212;but I do draw a parallel between sexwork and the new Thai health tourism economy — this latter is a less explicity sexual economy, to be sure, but it still draws on the same repackaging of ‘traditional’ Thai femininity and requires workers to perform that traditional femininity&#8212;</p>
	<p>this is interesting, and perhaps clarifies something i noticed recently on this side of the world. So, not so long ago, i got treated to a meal at a fancy thai restaurant in an upmarket Johannesburg Suburb. beyond the  group of [local] waiters (dressed in trendy, loose fitting, black linen outfits)  the restaurants staff included a group of young women dressed in tight &#8216;tradition&#8217; dresses, whose work it seemed to be to go, table-to-table, offering patrons a massage - something like R50 for however many minutes. also the women were paid at the table after the massage (not on the bill and i remember wondering if they were paid anything by the restaurant beyond what they collected directly from patrons. but, at any rate, similar kinds of affective labour is not that uncommon here, and in fact the &#8216;repackaging&#8217; of &#8216;African culture&#8217; and the &#8216;traditional&#8217; is a bread and butter of the local tourist industry. What set the thai restaurant encounter apart, i think, including the particular transactional form, was precisely the sense of something like a sexual economy, even if not explicit, that, as you say &#8220;draws on the same repackaging of ‘traditional’ Thai femininity and requires workers to perform that traditional femininity&#8221;. so i found all this somewhat odd in a restaurant, but now that you mention that there is something of a industry of this kind, perhaps the model was imported. i dunno. but thanks for this
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		<title>by: nix</title>
		<link>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/24/259/#comment-910</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:04:18 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/24/259/#comment-910</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;as if the library was in a good mood and decided to give me a present&lt;/i&gt;

i like the notion of the library having moods and being somewhat cyborgian... now, just imagine what that present might be if you were in a GIANT CONCRETE TURKEY LIBRARY!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>as if the library was in a good mood and decided to give me a present</i></p>
	<p>i like the notion of the library having moods and being somewhat cyborgian&#8230; now, just imagine what that present might be if you were in a GIANT CONCRETE TURKEY LIBRARY!  :)
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		<title>by: datakid</title>
		<link>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/weeding/#comment-909</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:30:23 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>also, btw, there's a spelling mistake in the sounds cat; you have &quot;thenedtimes&quot; instead of &quot;theendtimes&quot; in teh url.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>also, btw, there&#8217;s a spelling mistake in the sounds cat; you have &#8220;thenedtimes&#8221; instead of &#8220;theendtimes&#8221; in teh url.
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		<title>by: Az</title>
		<link>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/weeding/#comment-908</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:15:32 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/weeding/#comment-908</guid>
					<description>Damn, the Autobahn site is dead? That was the one I didn't bother to check, maybe because I was just hoping it had survived. Aha but the Wayback Machine archived some bits. Yay.

And Ubuweb -- thanks, I love it and had forgotten about it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Damn, the Autobahn site is dead? That was the one I didn&#8217;t bother to check, maybe because I was just hoping it had survived. Aha but the Wayback Machine archived some bits. Yay.</p>
	<p>And Ubuweb &#8212; thanks, I love it and had forgotten about it.
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		<title>by: datakid</title>
		<link>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/weeding/#comment-907</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:44:36 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/weeding/#comment-907</guid>
					<description>Hola. Well, as much as I appreciate it, the autobahn site and link is dead atm and will remain so for the near future. Also, in terms of sound, it may not be poppy enough, but I'm going to have to suggest the following for yer listening pleasure. 

The 365 days projects: http://www.ubu.com/outsiders/365/index.shtml

Ah, come to think of it, ubuweb in general: http://www.ubu.com/

One of their gracious hosts, the formidable WFMU: http://www.wfmu.org/

and finally, Some Assembly Required: http://www.some-assembly-required.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hola. Well, as much as I appreciate it, the autobahn site and link is dead atm and will remain so for the near future. Also, in terms of sound, it may not be poppy enough, but I&#8217;m going to have to suggest the following for yer listening pleasure. </p>
	<p>The 365 days projects: <a href='http://www.ubu.com/outsiders/365/index.shtml' rel='nofollow'>http://www.ubu.com/outsiders/365/index.shtml</a></p>
	<p>Ah, come to think of it, ubuweb in general: <a href='http://www.ubu.com/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.ubu.com/</a></p>
	<p>One of their gracious hosts, the formidable WFMU: <a href='http://www.wfmu.org/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.wfmu.org/</a></p>
	<p>and finally, Some Assembly Required: <a href='http://www.some-assembly-required.net/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.some-assembly-required.net/</a>
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		<title>by: Az</title>
		<link>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/16/lines-in-the-sand/#comment-906</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:30:04 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/16/lines-in-the-sand/#comment-906</guid>
					<description>Hi Ryan -- the Gender Agenda submissions sounds great; do you have a copy I could read? I don't understand the obsession with genitals either, but even less do I understand the desire to 'draw the line' between the 'real' transpeople and the rest.

I'm glad you're having such a good experience being out, too! Arse-kicking  is a very important ability to nourish. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Ryan &#8212; the Gender Agenda submissions sounds great; do you have a copy I could read? I don&#8217;t understand the obsession with genitals either, but even less do I understand the desire to &#8216;draw the line&#8217; between the &#8216;real&#8217; transpeople and the rest.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re having such a good experience being out, too! Arse-kicking  is a very important ability to nourish.
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		<title>by: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/16/lines-in-the-sand/#comment-905</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:06:15 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://goingsomewhere.blogsome.com/2008/06/16/lines-in-the-sand/#comment-905</guid>
					<description>This is interesting. 
I worked with Gender Agenda on the local submission, and in ours we put the focus on medical care and anti-discrimination legislation. We suggested that gender be removed from identity documents, and where it is recorded, have it optional.
What is the obsession with categorizing people based on their genitals? Srsly?

I've had someone try to convince me to go stealth recently. I tried spending 3 days stealth away from home, failed miserably, and felt totally stressed, depressed and shattered. 
So I'm out and proud now. Gives me a lot more flexibility in my dress, behaviour, and arse-kicking ability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is interesting.<br />
I worked with Gender Agenda on the local submission, and in ours we put the focus on medical care and anti-discrimination legislation. We suggested that gender be removed from identity documents, and where it is recorded, have it optional.<br />
What is the obsession with categorizing people based on their genitals? Srsly?</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve had someone try to convince me to go stealth recently. I tried spending 3 days stealth away from home, failed miserably, and felt totally stressed, depressed and shattered.<br />
So I&#8217;m out and proud now. Gives me a lot more flexibility in my dress, behaviour, and arse-kicking ability.
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